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    dreambox+numericable

    bonjour a tous
    voila j'ai une dreambox 500C que je veux utiliser sur nc .
    Mais impossible d'avoir autre chose que cartoon network et tcm
    j'ai essayer avec sbcl mais cela ne fonctionne pas
    autre chose avec n'importe quel autre image que la gemini 3.00
    je ne trouve pas de chaine lors de la recherche
    je percise pas d'abo nc

    merci a tous

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    Re: dreambox+numericable

    Bonjour,

    Perso j'ai le DiabloCAM Ligth flash Stealth v2.00 avec le DreamBox 7025 flash Gemini avec tuner DVB-C pour recevoir les chaînes AB SAT et TCM via Numéricable.

    Flash avec l'image "Gemini Project 3.50 DM500 MaxVar" Attention note de l'auteur de cette image, Flash et erase toujours avec le logiciel officiel DreamUP.

    Lis ce thread tu auras des infos à propos de la réception des chaînes Numéricable, Si tu suis mes explications tu recevras plus de 200 chaînes payantes(écran noir si pas décryptées) et libres sans abonnement.

    http://www.satsupreme.com/showthread.php?t=26592

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    Re: dreambox+numericable

    bonjour
    merci pour ta reponse
    Mais le pb est que quand je scan avec la derniere image ou une autre que la 3.0 je ne trouve aucune chaine si j'utilise le fichier cable.xml idem
    lorsque je selectionne la chaine il me programme introuvable
    est ce normal ?

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    Re: dreambox+numericable

    Bonjour,

    Il faut modifie le fichier cables.xml, Va sur ce thread tout est expliqué, Et branche le DreamBox sur la prise numéricable sans appareil intermédiaire genre multiprise, amplificateur etc ..

    http://www.satsupreme.com/showthread.php?t=265 92

    Astuce démonte la prise numéricable et branche directe avec deux prises mâle et femelle d'antenne hertzienne exactement comme une télé classique, Tu auras un meilleur signal.

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    Re: dreambox+numericable

    bonsoir et merci pour ton aide tokosu

    -j'explique
    lorsque je flash ma dream avec une image gemini 3.00 ou colosseum
    la j'ai lors de la recherche sue le transponder sr 6875 la il me trouve 211 programme tv+radio
    un scan sur le transponder sr 6900 ne donne ni programme tv ni radio
    normal je pense ?

    -quand je flash une image au dessus de la 3.00 nablio,gemini
    la lors de la recherche il sur le transponder sr 6875 il me demande de verifier le cable ...
    avec la meme image un scan sur le transponder sr 6900 il scan mais ne trouve aucun programme ni tv ni radio
    normal je pense ?

    -si j'utilise le fichier cables.xml cree apres un scan avec l'image 3.00 (qui me permet d'avoir des programme fonctionnel les chaine s'affiche correctement )
    sur l'image supp a 3.00 la liste apparait mais aussi un message programme introuvable

    -si je supprime la 1ere partie sr 6900
    pour qu'il soit identique a celui du post dans le lien
    la liste des chaine apparait mais meme message programme introuvable et si je lance un scan j'ai un message network no found

    merci encore

    mon cables.xml
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    <?xml version="1.0" encoding="iso-8859-1"?>
    <cables>
    <cable name="All (SR6900)" satfeed="true" flags="9">
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    </cable>
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    </cable>
    </cables>

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    Re: dreambox+numericable

    Il faut utiliser uniquement ce symbol rate 6875000 et aucun autre.

    Il faut un ajout de 8 MHz à chaque fréquence, Exemple à partir de la première fréquence officielle 123000 :

    123000
    131000
    139000
    147000
    etc ... continu jusqu'a la fréquence 851000.


    Et ne coupe pas la structure du fichier cables.xml par
    </cable>
    <cable name="All (SR6875)" satfeed="true" flags="9">
    les lignes doivent être uniformes et continus.

    Test mes fréquences.

    Tu utilises le logiciel PSPad pour modifier le cables.xml et le logiciel Dreambox Edit 2.01 pour recevoir et envoyer après modification du fichier cables.xml dans le DreamBox ? ? ?

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    Re: dreambox+numericable

    nickel tokosu merci
    en fait il ne faut pas laisser de marge a droite
    voici mon fichier la j'ai tout lors du scan
    <?xml version="1.0" encoding="iso-8859-1"?>
    <cables>
    <cable name="All (SR6875)" satfeed="true" flags="9">
    <transponder frequency="123000" symbol_rate="6875000 " fec_inner="0" modulation="3"/>
    <transponder frequency="131000" symbol_rate="6875000 " fec_inner="0" modulation="3"/>
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    <transponder frequency="147000" symbol_rate="6875000 " fec_inner="0" modulation="3"/>
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    </cable>
    </cables>

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    Re: dreambox+numericable

    Ok impeccable, Met le fichier cables.xml zippé dans Upload Center pour verifier avec le PSPad si les marges sont correctes.

    Le scan a trouvé combien de chaînes ?

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    Re: dreambox+numericable

    j'ai trouver 287 programme apres la scan
    et au final via sbcl g'ai une 50 de chaine ok tnt .multi ....
    sais tu si il est possible d'avoir les mt# autrement que par cs
    si non si tu des addresse pour le cs cs#at et autre je suis preneur
    encore merci

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    Re: dreambox+numericable

    j'ai trouver 287 programme apres la scan
    et au final via sbcl g'ai une 50 de chaine ok tnt .multi ....
    sais tu si il est possible d'avoir les mt# autrement que par cs
    si non si tu des addresse pour le cs cs#at et autre je suis preneur
    encore merci
    ps
    je n'ai pas mi le fichier sur l'upload mais les marge sont ok j'ai trouver les chaines si il le faut dit moi je l'up

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