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    Re: Cerebro Problem

    This is directly taken from the satscreen.net forum explaining why Cerebro got banned in Germany... and why I think the prices must drop soon or the German dealers get left high and dry with nothing...

    in germay:

    Premiere-h*ck: Polizei geht gegen Smartcard-Vertreiber vor

    Am vergangenen Dienstag wurden bei Hausdurchsuchungen im gesamten Bundesgebiet Cerebro-Karten, Programmiersoftware und Kundenlisten im Zusammenhang mit dem h*ck der Premiere-Verschlüsselung sichergestellt. Dies teilte die Münchener Polizei nun mit.

    Das vom Münchener Pay-TV-Sender Premiere seit Ende Oktober 2003 genutzte Nagravision zur Verschlüsselung des ausgestrahlten TV-Programms war nach diversen Berichten ausgehebelt worden. Zum Einsatz kam dabei eine so genannte Blanko-Karte mit RSA-Chip vom Typ "Cerebro" für rund 100 Euro. Laut Polizeibericht werden diese Karten vom Hersteller eigentlich nur nach Abschluss bestimmter Vereinbarungen und Sicherheitsregelungen an gewerbliche Endkunden vertrieben. Ein Vertrieb an Endbenutzer erfolge gewöhnlich nicht.

    Ab dem 26.11.2005 sei nun im Internet eine Software angeboten worden, mit welcher die Cerebro-Karten programmiert werden konnten, um das Angebot des Pay-TV Senders zu entschlüsseln. Da solche Karten in dieser Form ausschließlich zur Umgehung der Verschlüsselung dienen, stellt laut Staatsanwaltschaft München die Herstellung und der Vertrieb dieser Karten ein Vergehen nach dem Zugangsdienste-Schutzgesetz (ZKDSG) dar. Nachdem Premiere am 30.11.2005 Strafanzeige gegen zahlreiche Betreiber von Satellitenshops gestellt hatte, die als Vertreiber dieser Karten in Frage kamen, nahm die Staatsanwaltschaft München I die Ermittlungen auf und beantragte schließlich für insgesamt 20 Objekte im gesamten Bundesgebiet Durchsuchungsbeschlüsse.

    Diese wurden nun am 6.12.2005 unter Koordination des Polizeipräsidiums München, Kommissariat 241 (AG IuK-Kriminalität), durchgeführt. Dabei konnten nach Angaben der Polizei an allen Objekten entsprechende Beweismittel sichergestellt werden. Einen endgültigen Überblick über Hersteller und Vertriebswege gibt es laut Polizeibericht erst nach Auswertung sämtlicher Unterlagen. Eindeutig ließe sich jedoch bereits jetzt feststellen, dass die Nachfrage nach diesen Karten seit dem Bekanntwerden der Möglichkeit des kostenlosen Empfangs explosionsartig angestiegen sei. Eine Aussage über die Anzahl der bisher verkauften Karten könne noch nicht getroffen werden.

    "Durch die schnelle und konsequente Aktion der Staatsanwaltschaft München I und der AG IuK des Polizeipräsidiums München dürften die einschlägigen Händler in der nächsten Zeit vor einem weiteren Vertrieb zurückschrecken", meinte die Polizei. Staatsanwaltschaft und Polizei wiesen zudem darauf hin, dass der Gebrauch der Cerebro-Karten durch die Endnutzer ein Vergehen des Computerbetrugs darstelle und somit strafbar sei. (nij/c't)


    in english:

    Premiere h*ck:
    Police proceeds against Smartcard smartcard-Vertreiber On past Tuesday with house searches in the entire federal territory Cerebro CARDS, programming software and customer master lists in connection with h*ck the premiere coding were guaranteed. This communicated the Munich police now. 2003 Nagravision for the coding of the radiated TV program, used of Munich Pay TV transmitter premiere since at the end of of October, had been expenditure-levered after various reports. Thereby an in blank map in such a way specified with RSA chip of the type "Cerebro" was used for approximately 100 euro. According to police report these CARDS of the manufacturer are driven out actually only after conclusion of certain agreements and safety regulations to commercial final customers. A selling at final users usually does not take place. Starting from that 26.11.2005 now in the InterNet a software was offered, with which the Cerebro maps could be programmed, in order to decode the offer of the Pay TV of transmitter. Since such maps in this form serve the coding exclusively for the evasion, Munich represents the production and the selling of these CARDS a passing after the entrance service law for the protection (ZKDSG) according to public prosecutor's office. After premiere had placed to 30.11.2005 charge against numerous operators of Satellitenshops, which were applicable as vertreiber of these maps, the public prosecutor's office Munich I took up the determinations and finally requested for altogether 20 objects in the entire federal territory of search resolutions. These were accomplished now to 6.12.2005 under co-ordination of police headquarters Munich, Kommissariat 241 (AG IuK criminality). Corresponding evidence could be guaranteed according to data of the police at all objects. There is a final overview of manufacturers and selling ways according to police report only after evaluation of all documents. It could clear be stated however already now that the demand for these maps had like an explosion risen since becoming known the possibility of the free receipt. A statement about the number of maps sold so far cannot be met yet. "by the fast and consistent action of the public prosecutor's office Munich I and the AG IuK of police headquarters Munich the relevant dealers might back-frighten in the next time before a further selling", meant the police. Public prosecutor's office and police pointed out besides that the use of the Cerebro CARDS represents a passing of the computer fraud by the final users and is thus punishable (nij/c't)

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    Re: Cerebro Problem

    Good Luck! and don't take any sh1t from them.

    If you used a credit card to pay, you should have some
    protection.

    Let us know how you go... I hate being f*cked
    around by people after a quick buck, but do appreciate
    when dealers make honest mistakes and do the right thing...

    all the best
    Jim

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    Re: Cerebro Problem

    Hello,
    I presume I bought also a blank card ???
    ATR: 3B 7F 11 00 00 00 6B 01 0D 03 52 28 37 02 11 36 03 05 90 03
    AT 90 SC6464C ??
    Boot loader Version 0305 ??
    Please confirm it.
    Thanks a lot
    regards G.

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    Re: Cerebro Problem

    That looks a lot like the ATR for the blank 6464C I bought, so I'd say
    you bought a blank card...

    I have seen this on a couple of forums now, looks like a few people have bought (been sold) blank 6464C cards as "Cerebro" cards.

    Who did you buy it from? I'd like to know that they give you the money
    back.

    Jim

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    Re: Cerebro Problem

    Well the place that I bought it from said they assured me that the CARD is cerebro and they will refund it if i wanted to. Questions was that in some computer cerebro.exe cannot communicate with COM port. So duolabs is relasing CIS6.8 very soon with a new driver for cas 3 which will support cerebro cards.The demo is already out.
    SO im waiting for that

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    Re: Cerebro Problem

    yes will be out 2nigth 6.8....

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    Re: Cerebro Problem

    Quote Originally Posted by TEZAK
    Well the place that I bought it from said they assured me that the CARD is cerebro and they will refund it if i wanted to. Questions was that in some computer cerebro.exe cannot communicate with COM port. So duolabs is relasing CIS6.8 very soon with a new driver for cas 3 which will support cerebro cards.The demo is already out.
    SO im waiting for that
    I can guarantee you that the card you have is not a cerebro card.
    It may be the card the cerebro is made from, but it does NOT have
    cerebro O/S loaded, it is the original Bootloader ATR you are seeing. Do a web search for Virgin 6464C cards and check the ATR.

    I do not believe that the abilitity to load cerebro O/S onto blank 6464C will become available publicly.
    Cerebro card = 65 Euro
    Blank 6464C = 10 Euro
    The O/S is worth 55Euro per card

    Admittedly I had problems with cerebro loader using extended I/O ports, but the when I tried to connect the cerebro loader to the port, it gave a warning that it couldn't connect...

    Get your money back! buy a Virgin 6464C and tell me I'm wrong!

    Jim

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    Re: Cerebro Problem

    I have got one....

    and the ATR sais it is an Cerebro when it is without program but OS....

    ATR:
    3B EC 00 00 40 38 43 45 52 45 42 52 4F 20 00 0C 01 01

    @CEREBRO

    how it should look like with program loaded...

    thanks

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    Re: Cerebro Problem

    D'accord

    Of course an ATR does not guarantee the card is genuine, as it would be
    easy enough to load a card with an application that simply replicated the
    required ATR, without having any of the rest of the Operating System implemented. (hint: Don't buy pirate card from someone you don't trust... )

    It is a good first step in working out what is going on though
    and can certainly be used to discount the card as a genuine one if it's not right.

    jjdfb

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    Re: Cerebro Problem

    hi@all

    this is my atr:3B7F110000006B010D035226501711070305 9000

    is this a blank card or is this a cerebro?

    i can´t write anything on this card


    sorry for my english

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